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		<title>Beware the instant online anger of the HobNob mob &#124; Nick Cohen &#124; Comment is free &#124; The Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2009/11/02/beware-the-instant-online-anger-of-the-hobnob-mob-nick-cohen-comment-is-free-the-observer/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A mob fighting a good cause is still a mob. To fight back, you need to remember that although the internet age is hugely expanding the number of complaints, the old rules still apply. Whether you are the owner of a tiny blog or the editor of a national newspaper, if someone points out an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A mob fighting a good cause is still a mob. To fight back, you need to remember that although the internet age is hugely expanding the number of complaints, the old rules still apply. Whether you are the owner of a tiny blog or the editor of a national newspaper, if someone points out an incorrect fact, you correct it; if someone challenges an argument, you argue back; and if someone says that you must think what they think, you ignore them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/01/nick-cohen-andrew-neil-jan-moir">here</a></p>
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		<title>Technology Review: Can You Trust Crowd Wisdom?</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2009/09/18/technology-review-can-you-trust-crowd-wisdom/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niki Kittur, an assistant professor at CMU who studies user collaboration on Wikipedia and was not involved with Kostakos&#39;s work, says that providing more information about voting patterns to users could also be helpful. Kittur suggests that sites could create ways to easily summarize and represent other users&#39; contributions to reveal any obvious biases. &#34;There [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Niki Kittur, an assistant professor at CMU who studies user collaboration on Wikipedia and was not involved with Kostakos&#39;s work, says that providing more information about voting patterns to users could also be helpful. Kittur suggests that sites could create ways to easily summarize and represent other users&#39; contributions to reveal any obvious biases. &quot;There are both intentional and unintentional sources of bias,&quot; says Kittur. &quot;In the end, what we really need [are] tools and transparency.</p></blockquote>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/web/23477/?a=f">here</a></p>
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		<title>Links for November 1st</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2008/11/02/links-for-november-1st/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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Maths, science &#38; Literacy gamesWoodlands Junior School have assembled a good set of flash games for use in class/online.  Useful for teachers &#38; pretty good PR for the school too.Tags: resources games teaching free whiteboard 
Crickweb &#124; Welcome to Crickweb163 free to use educational interactive resources for Primary Schools.
16 free to use games for [...]]]></description>
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<li><a href="http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/ichild.html">Maths, science &amp; Literacy games</a><br/>Woodlands Junior School have assembled a good set of flash games for use in class/online.  Useful for teachers &amp; pretty good PR for the school too.<br/>Tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/resources">resources</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/games">games</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/teaching">teaching</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/free">free</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/whiteboard">whiteboard</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.crickweb.co.uk/">Crickweb | Welcome to Crickweb</a><br/>163 free to use educational interactive resources for Primary Schools.<br />
16 free to use games for children aged 4 &#8211; 11.<br/>Tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/tools">tools</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/teaching">teaching</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/whiteboard">whiteboard</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/resources">resources</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3123591/Bankrobber-recruited-Craigslist-decoys-to-confuse-police.html">Bankrobber recruited Craigslist decoys to confuse police &#8211; Telegraph</a><br/>Officers attending the robbery on Tuesday of an armoured car in Monroe, in Washington state, discovered that the suspect&#8217;s description was far from unusual among people outside the Bank of America branch that morning. In all, around a dozen men were wearing long-sleeved blue shirts, surgical masks and blue hats.
<p>They had been lured to the scene by a bogus advert on the Craigslist website that had offered road maintenance jobs. It specified that applicants should wear blue shirts and dust masks.<br/>Tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/crowd">crowd</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/craigslist">craigslist</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/surgeons">surgeons</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/bank">bank</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/robbery">robbery</a> </li>
<li><a href="http://r.hiddenchemistry.com/lr/twitter.pdf">What?s Twitter actually for? (weaverluke)</a><br/>&#8220;I propose to take a sculptor?s approach to this question, chipping away at the granite block of information and opinion in the hope of uncovering truth. In which case, the most pressing question is actually: What doesn?t define Twitter?&#8221; via Euan<br/>Tags: <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/twitter">twitter</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/study">study</a> <a href="http://del.icio.us/monkeymagic/mobile">mobile</a> </li>
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		<title>One by One</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2006/01/17/one-by-one/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.&#8221;
Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds &#8212; Chapter 1

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.&#8221;</p>
<div align="right"><a title="Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds -- Chapter 1" href="http://www.litrix.com/madraven/madne001.htm">Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds &#8212; Chapter 1</a></div>
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		<title>Philip Pullman, Identity and Crowds</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2005/11/21/philip-pullman-identity-and-crowds/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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&#8220;I feel with some passion that what we truly are is private, and almost infinitely complex, and ambiguous, and both external and internaland double- or triple- or multiply natured, and largely mysterious, even to ourselves; and furthermore that what we are is only part of us, because identity, unlike &#8220;identity&#8221; must include what we do. [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;I feel with some passion that what we truly <em>are </em>is private, and almost infinitely complex, and ambiguous, and both external and internaland double- or triple- or multiply natured, and largely mysterious, even to ourselves; and furthermore that what we are is only part of us, because identity, unlike &#8220;identity&#8221; must include what we <em>do</em>.  And I think that to find oneself and every aspect of this complexity reduced in the public mind to one property that apparently subsumes all the rest (&#8221;gay&#8221;, &#8220;black&#8221;, &#8220;Muslim&#8221;, whatever) is to be the victim of a piece of extraordinary intellectual vulgarity.  Literally vulgar: from vulgus.  It&#8217;s crowd-thought&#8221;<br />
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<div align="right">- Source: Philip Pullman in the <a href="http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1644936,00.html">Guardian</a></div>
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		<title>Wasted Sweetness</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2005/10/24/wasted-sweetness/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back from a great two weeks of reading, relaxing, exploring, mint tea and fearless driving in Morocco.  A week ago I was a couple of miles outside Merzouga, in the desert, under a full moon, and staying in a Berber tent among the 300 foot dunes.  Away from it all, it&#8217;s easy to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back from a great two weeks of reading, relaxing, exploring, mint tea and fearless driving in Morocco.  A week ago I was a couple of miles outside Merzouga, in the desert, under a full moon, and staying in a Berber tent among the 300 foot dunes.  Away from it all, it&#8217;s easy to draw a veil of schmaltzy naffness over it &#8211; &#8220;Oh the stars&#8221;, &#8220;It stripped me down to my bare essentials&#8221; etc.  But it really was awesome, in the fullest sense of the word.</p>
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<p>Two things the experience made sense of, and vividly so, were:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Holiness in the desert is silence, in the crowd it is conversation&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(or something not too far off)</p>
<p>And probably my favourite line of verse, and top of my <em>&#8220;Now That&#8217;s What I Call Poetry&#8221;</em> compilation<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Full many a flower is born to blush unseen,<br />
And waste its sweetness on the desert air.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m glossing over the fact that the donkey had piles or something hee-hawed from about 2am till dawn, and the fact that the camels seemed to have shat everywhere, but testament to the whole thing is that when you&#8217;re there you really don&#8217;t mind.  You&#8217;re a million miles away from everything.</p>
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		<title>Photos with Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2005/09/01/photos-with-flash/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A New York paper is running a story on Thao Nguyen&#8217;s transformation &#8221; from quiet Web developer to feisty crimefighter&#8221;.  [thanks Matt for the pointer]
Allegedly (and while I&#8217;ve every sympathy with her if it did happen, it looks like it may well have, but I still think it&#8217;s an &#8220;allegedly&#8221;), in response to the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/08-27-2005/front/story/340923p-291030c.html">New York paper</a> is running a story on Thao Nguyen&#8217;s transformation &#8221; from quiet Web developer to feisty crimefighter&#8221;.  [thanks <a href="http://unwrittenrulesoftheweb.blogspot.com/2005/08/law-and-order-imposed-by-web.html">Matt</a> for the pointer]</p>
<p>Allegedly (and while I&#8217;ve every sympathy with her if it did happen, it looks like it may well have, but I still think it&#8217;s an &#8220;allegedly&#8221;), in response to the man below unzipping himself and pulling it out on a mid-afternoon uptown R train, she pulled out her phone and took a picture of him.</p>
<div align="center"><img height="100" width="150"src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/flash.jpg"><img src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/spacer.gif">+<img src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/spacer.gif"><img src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/samsung.jpg"><img src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/spacer.gif">=<img src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/spacer.gif"><img src="http://blog.monkeymagic.net/nycsubwaywanker.jpg"></div>
<p>Not long after it was evidence submitted to the police, <em>and</em> posted on Flickr.</p>
<p><a href="http://ponderance.blogspot.com/2005/08/citizen-justice-or-opening-pandoras.html">Tama Leaver</a> has written a corker of a post about the ramifications of this.<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;while I commend Thao Nguyen for her quick thinking and wish her every luck in prosecuting the man who appears strongly to have abused her, I simply want to add a few words of warning to the digital ether and ask you to think about the ramifications of digital images becoming a form of citizen &#8220;justice&#8221;. We need to be wary in such cases, or our new digital resources may indeed open a seductive but ultimately unjust hi-tech pandora&#8217;s box.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Spot on.</p>
<p>On a broader level, it does make you wonder about individual freedoms and just how pleasant bottom-up life is.  <a href="http://www.darwinmag.com/read/060104/boyd.html">Stowe Boyd</a> coined the term swarmth for all that wonderful collective decision making ability that networked people are beginning to be able to show.  But I would hate it if we forgot that these swarms have stings too.</p>
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		<title>Innocence &amp; The Wisdom of Crowds</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2004/08/19/innocence-the-wisdom-of-crowds/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the pains involved in being an aggregated part of the process]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of months ago I was called up for jury service.  I have to say I was excited &#8211; human interest, curiosity at how decisions were made behind the scenes, and a little bit of &#8220;see how groups work&#8221; enthusiasm.  I also have to say that, when I <i>was </i>&#8220;behind the scenes&#8221;, I surprised myself by doing something I cannot remember doing since I was seventeen (barring at loved ones).  I shouted long and hard someone.</p>
<p>The case was a short one, thankfully not rape or murder, but still had the possibility of a five year sentence.  We sat and listened to the witnesses, barristers and judge for 4 days.</p>
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Now, the first thing that I found odd was that in many cases people came into the jury rooms  with their minds already made up &#8211; there were various &#8220;oh he definitely did it&#8221;&#8217;s mentioned as asides.  But ho hum, each to their own.  We debated in our jury room long and hard for a day and a half &#8211; no unanimous verdict was reached &#8211; and so on the judge&#8217;s orders we went to majority verdicts of ten to two.  (No Twelve Angry Men scenarios here).</p>
<p>It was at the end of the third day that I yelled at a fellow juror.  Partly out of frustration, I had asked a facetious round table question &#8220;Does anyone here think that the defendant might be innocent?&#8221;.  And to that, the soon to be yelled at juror said, &#8220;I think you&#8217;ll find that&#8217;s straight speculation &#8211; the judge made it very clear that we shouldn&#8217;t be doing that&#8221;.</p>
<p>What?  <b>WHAT?!</b> There was a man outside waiting to find out what we had decided and we were saying we had to assume he was guilty?  Isn&#8217;t it meant to be the other way around?</p>
<p>Now, this isn&#8217;t meant to be a getting it off my chest therapy session.  But I though about it later reading &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375433627/qid=1092911955/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-3274034-7010849">The Wisdom of Crowds</a>&#8220;.  I agree, fundamentally, with the notion of trial by your peers.  And I think that the aggregated &#8220;wisdom&#8221; of crowds of jurors, on average, allows for better, more neutral decisions than the aggregated wisdom of barristers and judge.  What I hadn&#8217;t taken on board until the case was this: being part of that crowd is not necessarily pleasant.  In some cases, it is hard, very hard to see yourself as just another &#8220;outlier&#8221; helping towards a better aggregate decision.</p>
<p>And on that note, I&#8217;ll treat myself to some Lapsang.</p>
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		<title>The Wisdom of Crowds</title>
		<link>http://www.monkeymagic.net/2004/06/04/the-wisdom-of-crowds/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Piers Young</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a book that might explain why crowds of fools might outperform (highly paid) experts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was forwarded this <a title="BOOK REVIEW: If you want good information, ask around - a lot" href="http://24hour.startribune.com/24hour/entertainment/v-continue/story/1394880p-8659354c.html">book review</a> by my mate Pete McCrum &#8211; and am now off to <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385503865/ref=pd_pym_rvi_2/202-1845774-7702239">get it</a>.  The book is called &#8220;The Wisdom of Crowds: How the Many Are Smarter Than the Few&#8221; and it&#8217;s written by a New Yorker called James Surowiecki.</a>  Some of the choice snippets are:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;In 1906, English scientist Francis Galton visited a country livestock fair and stumbled upon an intriguing contest.</p>
<p>An ox was about to be slaughtered, and the villagers in attendance were invited to guess the animal&#8217;s weight after being slaughtered and dressed. Nearly 800 gave it a go, and not surprisingly, no one hit the exact mark: 1,198 pounds. Astonishingly, however, the average of those 800 guesses came close &#8211; very close indeed.</p>
<p>It was 1,197 pounds.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It looks to be much more than a series of interesting anecdotes though &#8230;<br />
<blockquote>the mathematics work so long as Surowiecki&#8217;s three key criteria &#8211; independence, diversity and decentralization &#8211; are satisfied. &#8220;If you ask a large enough group,&#8221; he says, &#8220;to make a prediction or estimate a probability,&#8221; the errors they make cancel each other out. &#8220;Subtract the error, and you&#8217;re left with the information.&#8221; In this fashion, the TV studio audience of &#8220;Who Wants to Be a Millionaire,&#8221; guessed the right answer to questions 91 percent of the time, torching the &#8220;experts,&#8221; who guessed the right answer only 65 percent of the time</p></blockquote>
<p>Have to admit, I was a <i>little</i> surprised that Pete was reading the Christian Science Monitor <img src='http://www.monkeymagic.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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